Russian, Canadian, Norwegian log house.

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Тема: Re: Russian, Canadian, Norwegian log house.
In general, the Russian version of "oblo," doesn’t exist! This is the Finnish version of the word, too. In Russia, there is only the "bowl" cutting (upper and lower), then the halving and a "dovetail". About the durability you are wrong. If correctly done, or rather, that the angle of the "bowl" is covered by the roof, it will stand no less than the halving. Even more the halving will rot, rather than "the cup", because as you know it is colder. Due to the smaller thickness of the angle, as well as, if there is a place for the air access, which can easier pass than in the "bowl". Accordingly, there will be that place, it will rot faster. And you can equally trim the house with normal angles, without protrusions, in the halving and in "the cup". Just you should cut more protuberances in the "bowl". Especially a gap of 5 inches can not hurt. Therefore, your fears are groundless. And even if the angle of the "bowl" has rotten, it still blows less than in the alving.
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Features of traditional logging..
The "halving" in the section 132 a traditional felling.. "a premium class" .. Well, yes, maybe. But what a joke with protruding ends? .. Smooth and trimed corner it will not be colder than the angle of the cup and durable – it’s definitely .. The bowl with tenons it’s another thing .. The spike in the top of the bowl will keep only the displacements, but it doesn’t protect from blowing. I agree. The tenon on the lateral side of the bowl, is another thing, it covers a straight line along the lateral surface of the log .. It should be noted that the angles of the bowl can be very tight if it is necessary.. The halving in this context, of course .. not always .. if it hasn’t a tenon .. Depends on the angle of inclination. => So-called a "direct" halving is a nonsense. "Legs, wings, tails ..of course it’s bad that there is no consistency of terminology, but still familiar the halving has parallel vertical planes and inclined upper and lower surface. The "dovetail” has parallel horizontal surface and vertical surfaces are slope to the axis of the log. ..
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“OBLY”, Dal glossary.
(From round, as it seen in other derivatives), circular, circular-shaped, rotund, round and the meaning: a cylinder, a plunger. Round firewood, logs, choped wood. The felling in “oblo”, the usual way of cutting house.
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I heard that the log cabins are made of dead trees. Most of all are from a dry pine.
What is good and bad of this stuff?
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Once upon a time in the Russian countryside the houses were built of dead wood. These were the trees, dried themselves, but remaining upright and not damaged by beetles or bark beetles.
In Siberia and the North Sea our ancestors used another different method of natural wood drying. They selected in the forest a healthy pine tree, then purified it from the bark on the stem. For three years the tree dried up and became much stronger than conventional freshly cut trees.

The dead pine due to a slow drying has a fixed humidity. This type of wood on its mechanical properties and performance is much higher than a raw pine. The percentage of shrinkage is minimal. The dead pine is a "local native", hardened in the northern latitudes, resistant to weather changes, it is not afraid of our raw climate.
;) ;)
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Some people understand by this word a not fresh wood, which was then dried, but the trees which were dried on the stem. And then they say that the log cabin are good from them. Although it is not known from what the tree died! Maybe was a rot or beetles, which is most likely. Only if the log house is done really from a dried wood, why they don’t cut in the forest, not in the hangar, where it was dried.
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A dead wood is distributed in Karelia, basically. It is that is used for home building. In other places these days builders don’t take it. And a purification from the bark on the stem was used much earlier, when there were no modern rules of use of forest resources. Read carefully and not selectively.
P.S. We are talking about different technologies, modern or old.
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Since we have a kind of log (a logging) from a simple construction timber and profiled bar, perhaps, we should consider ways of cutting from timber. ;)
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According to the notation adopted in accordance with the state standard specification 30974-2002 corner and T-junctions of log walls of low-rise buildings are classified according to :arrow: :

According to the type of connected wall elements the corner junctions are divided into:

the junction of roundwood (barked logs) - K;
the junction of rounded (profiled) logs - C;
the junction of two-edged boards - B2;
the junction of three-edged boards - B3;
the junction of four-edged oards - B4.

According to the types of solutions the corner joints are divided into: :arrow:

the junction with a residue;
the junction without a residue;
the butt joints;
T-junctions of walls and piers.

According to the types of structures, the corner joints are divided: :arrow:

for log walls with a junction with a residue:
- the junction in the "cup" - C;
- the junction in “oblo” (with a groove) - O;
for log and cobbled walls with a junction without a residue:
- the junction of halving - H;
for stacked walls with a "butt" junction:
- the corner junction of leads - JL;
- the corner junction with a tenon - JT;
for stacked walls with a residue:
- the junction in “oblo" (with a groove) - O;
for T-junctions of walls and piers:
- the junction in “oblo” (with a groove) - TO;
- the junction in a "cup" - JC;
- the junction by a cimmetrichnym trapezoidal spike - JCTS;
- the junction by a rectangular trapezoidal spike - JRTS;
- the junction by a direct groove - JDG.

Examples of a reference designation:

К-Ч 24 state standard specification 30974-2002 – a corner junction of round timbers in the "cup", the thickness of logs is 24 cm.
B-4 O 18 -14 state standard specification 30974-2002 – a corner junction of four-edged bars in "oblo" with the size of a thickness (a height) - 180 mm, a width - 140 mm.
;) ;) ;) ;)
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According to the results – a shaped beam is one of the leaders ..
Naturally, probably .. Such as a manufacturability, it’s so smooth and nice ..

In the wall the profiled beam is perfect .. As for the corner joints I found two species here: the first one – is the most rare - a corner without a residue. When in the adjacent walls it is in the same level. The angle joint is tongue and groove (so-called a "fist") .. Everything would be fine, but to connect the corner you have to cross the profile (((.. And the second one is better known – the junction with a residue. Here, in my opinion, there is a small ambush ..It concerns the assembly. How to securely caulk vertical surfaces?. . Even a lock, made in a factory, with the required tolerances is too tight .. (on the verge of seizing). How to achieve it? It makes no sense. A fibrous insulation is effective of a sufficient thickness and a density as possible – but it’s not blown .. If to fill them with some windproof material, such as an elastic polymer, bu a continuous ribbon from top to bottom (!).. And so - what is the angle in terms of a heat loss? .. And if you hide connections on the wall. The wind will not blow crumbs from the table, of course not, but .. It turns out that it’s a good idea but the outcome hangs in the balance .. :( :(
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The Russian logging - 32.02%
The Canadian logging 11.80%
:idea: :idea:
How strong the patriotic spirit of our people, if in spite of the fact that the Canadian Cup" is considered as a more robust and warm connection than a standard round cup. We vote for the "Russian" one.

Although about the heat is a contentious issue, rather it is undeniable that the "Canadian" it is not because it was invented in Canada.

The Cnadian felling was invented, as well, as the "Norwegian lock" by coast-dweller (inhabitant of White Sea and Barents Sea coast), descendants of Russian settlers. During the XII century to the XV century Pomerania was a colony of Novgorod the Great, hence the majority of coast-dwellers.

The “Canadian” it was called because the most common type of logging that subsequently was received in Canada, which has not appeared yet.
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Hi, there!
Builders are cuting my house. I think it will be ready on Sunday.
One of the participants of the forum saw the frame, among other reviews and said that the “cup” is shadow of Canadian logging. I’m not scary by this fact, because it's not up my street.
But I wonder what is it (in your understanding)
I post a photo. He wrote that he has a Canadian felling and my house is from profiled logs.
Are not they simular? Thank you very much. :lol:
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You have a good log house in all respects ;) , cut into the “bowl” (the Russian cutting, a round cup), its difference from the Canadian harvesting, or a cutting into the “saddle” (a trapezoidal cup).
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The Canadian сup is the Russian cutting "in the saddle" which was used mainly in the manufacture of large diameter log cabins (over 50cm) to reduce labor costs by cutting a round cup, especially on the large logs the saddle (a Canadian notch) was cut not only in the upper part of logs, but also in the lower
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The main advantage of the Canadian home is its architectural developmental work, the ability to aplomb. And, accordingly, the main drawback of the Russian house is its architectural modesty. :P
But we must say that almost everything that you will find in a search can be implemented on the Russian logging bases.
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Generally speaking to guide a topic, good or bad, is a quite troublesome occupation.
The author, regardless of the reasons and goals of the topic, is "substituted" by critics, opinions and judgments.
And, always, finds things that should have been recounted in a different way.
With the comments the situation is somewhat simpler and more complicated at the same time.
It’s easier - because the person has left a comment - and went on.
And it’s harder - because you should express your thoughts in compacto or, well joke.
This is for constructive comments. :twisted:
There are also flooding, fornication, bile.
Flood, fornication is clear - generally stupid comments.
A bile implies the right judgments, but that "sharpened", peppered with a negative attitude, personally to the opponent.
Your comments in this respect are quite unique.
In essence:
The tenon in the Canadian cutting is longitudinal, the groove is cross.
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In Russia it is not the Canadian, but a usual “saddlenotch” with a stub tenon.
A classic Canadian cabin has no stub tenon, and in the system
is made another angle of slope, like an isosceles triangle.
How do you sell this sap stain?
It hasn’t said in the profile.
The characteristic darkening can be easily treated by sanding or tinting.
If you're talking about the Russian illusion, then argue in detail.
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Now everywhere in Russia builders cut with chainsaws.
Only here they were a little lazy to make a deep groove.
When the log dries, the cracks will appear along the groove, and an extensive caulking will be inevitable.
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We built a house, a saddle notch, there is a stub tenon in a cup.
Do not worry, we like it. We didn’t caulk, and it is not necessary.
I guess it's better than a usual bowl. Maybe I missed something, tell me, please, how much time and for how many % will shrink the house from a mast of 22 cm .The house with an attic space. The height of the house is 7.2 m.
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It depends on a humidity and how much the material has dried up. :!:
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