Russian, Canadian, Norwegian log house.

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Fast and cheap? This is if you build carelessly, and if you do as it has to be, there will not be cheaper than the Canadian way. And those same curtains are made, unless, of course, they know how to do them.
And there is another problem. They learn, develop standards, make experiments and observe, measure the shrinkage, and teach others and just communicate. While we are discussing here about something. And our people don't want to do anything except the cutting.
In Europe, the people are smarter, they open production in our forested regions, send their instructors and cut for themselves about 40 houses per year, quiet and silent.. And it is profitable to take a ready log frame. And they don’t take log cabis from the Russian sites, they take only the Norwegian and the Canadian. They don’t know the technologie, are they? ok. They don’t drive our ‘kalina’.
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Ok. I'm not against it! On the contrary you always offer the whole capability list for people. And I do not evil, but this life is, besides, I do not say anything bad, just I gave an example about how it happens in a real life. Moreover, the example strongly pronounced, because it is not an individual case, but there are a lot of separate cases. Besides, I do not like when foreigners are raised above the Russians, because they are not smarter or better, just like when the people are talking about them, and our people are in the shade, but they know what to do.
Good luck!
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Yeahh, why are you talking adout subtleties?.So, you should tell about details, and name them. Or, then, you just like a boy, who knows the secret, but nobody can say it. Then I’ll tell it. It is rather simple. Thank you to all "mastodons" and also forum users. It is a very interesting topic, on one breath. So, very, very informative, and most importantly understandable. :lol:
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Yeahh, they build from the Russian wood imported through Finland and make fine buildings. As for us, we have a great problem with the import. We took to Spain with the assembly of six houses like a "bungalow" on the expansion of the hotel. It’s easier to find a forest there and cut it. In France, the people do so. One house is standing there but we are talking about the second one, we gather the documents on the land, buildings and the wood.
A small hut of 13 * 21 the "Canadian" notch on the riviera.
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There is a version that the Norwegians had difficulties with the forest, that’s why they let out the logs. One board at one end, and the second board at another end. The half timber is in the middle. And the house can be constructed and the boards will remain for the shed! but it's not about that...
I am an experienced cutter and I recommend to do the log frame with the Russian cup, always with the lateral notches (during the shrinkage the bowl will lock and "pack"), and the internal notch (so, the inside walls will be smooth and not wavy), you can also make a spike inside the cup (the angles become hotter)!
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What is the import duty? Previously, it was 0%, I lag behind life. And what is the code you import?
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Personally, I haven’t even tried, because I do not need it. And I’ m speaking from the findings that were here on a similar issue, and simply talking to people who have done or tried it to do. But even if we take the wood to the site and cut down there, it will be cheaper than buying a ready-made frame, it is true that there is a hassle for me personally, well, and a garbage disposal from the site.
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The duty on a ready-hewed log house is zero!
But for the forest there is a duty because it is a raw material.
Therefore, Norway, as I know, buy a lot of houses in Russia.
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And do you have some pics during the building process? And of the inverted cup.
I’m very interested in what's inside.
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I didn’t make the photos of cups. I can say that it’s an "ordinary Canadian cup, like on a round log." Two planes under the cone, with a gap in the spanning log of 1-1.5cm. I refused to do "spikes" or "tails." They have different names. In my opinion easier the cup, the better one (Canadian or Norwegian). If you can be sure that the carpenter can perform the each cup with a spike on the technology, it is certainly better with him. And if he leaves, a small or a big gap, because today he is in a bad mood, or the log during the shrinkage unscrewed or wedged. In general, I've decided so. And now, there are no regrets. Moreover the bath is under the earthen roof. Now, (not counting the weight of the rafters 75*200, the insulation, etc). I threw there only the land of 20t. Under such a weight it should shirink perfectly.
Here is a picture how we made the roof. I'm happy.
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A very nice log frame!. Made with love.:-) :D
The only thing that, at first glance, is cautious it is a combination of a beam and a farm, serving as a support of the roof.
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Wow, what’s an unreal beauty! (without any sarcasm).
What’s a pity that the stains of a chernozem spoil the look, a dark color of a log house would be more appropriate. And a basement to protect the lower rim, because the snow will be till the windows. In whole it’s a tale, a copy of the exhibition.
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Well, a sod board... But I think that during a heavy rain the standard drain may not cope with the flow of a dirty water that can get to the ends of a log cabin. Despite of the large overhangs, drops may take up to a wall. In short, with this roof, I see that a dark color of the log house will be more practical.
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Yes, I stood the hazard with the farm as it does not shrink. But if, instead of the farm, to make a minced gable, the appearance would be different, and a light would be less.
As fot the drain it copes with it very well, I’ve already checked. With a large flow of water there isn’t an overflow across the boards. The water passes through the ground and slowly follows under the board. There is no leaching of a soil. Only at the beginning came a bit of land of 5-6 kg. A sod board is from a larch, I will not paint it, ti will naturally turn black.
And, I'm going to paint the house with a dark color. We have already begun. The inside space will be light, I only cover it with a wax to highlight the wood structure, and the operation will be easier, such as to wipe dust from the half timber.
The first crown is for the larch, the board of 50*200. And to protect the foundation, I specifically made it a very low (I wonna go to the bath right from the ground).
Thank you all for taking part in the discussion.
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Yes, the houses are very similar. When I designed my bath, I wanted to do it as low as possible, but due to the height of doors, which were located on the edges, it did not work (or the roof would have been almost flat), but it turned out the second floor above the steam room, a very small in height (1.5m), a decent area of 15m2. To use it as a living space it is difficult, but it can be a dormitory and I hope my grandchildren will enjoy it.
In Norway, the people make the entry into the room at once, but we RUSSIANS, enter through the "lobby", it is warmer.
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Because it is not practical, low-tech, labor-intensive, expensive, a heavy weight, with the eternal problem of blowing the walls, the problem with the insulation of a door and window openings, the problem with your electrical and low current.
Because the fashion "a la Russe" has gone.
None of the types of logging are not chosen. The warm in a log cabin can be only if it is sawn, splited and burned in the stove)).
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:mrgreen: - A misconception. Look up in the Internet, and you will find a lot of manufacturers of log houses not only in Scandinavia but in Britain and Germany. Plenty of them in the Czech Republic and in Slovakia. For example, use the search word "zruby". There is a great demand there, but no cutters. Good luck in expanding horizons. By the way, with the log houses "a la-Russe” the Europeans associate less. Pay attention to the ways of cutting, even from the same Czechs.
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A cool topic, guys!
I missed a lot, but it's just for the better.
Many people had a possibility for speaking.
About me: I have been engaged in wooden houses for 15-17 years, 8 years of them I suffered from the ignorance (a lack of a knowledge, those that were written in journals and books had to being filtered - % 80-90 are a continuous delirium). Unfortunately, a very few people combine the work with an ax and a pen. I do not want to offend anyone,
but the picture is that someone who cuts, doesn’t write, and who writes, forgets to consult someone who cuts. The result is sad. A dilettantism in a wooden building lives as a mold lives and wins. Thoughts are material.
The wooden theme was charged. When I decided to finish with this topic, I met the Master, and persuaded myself to take up the ax. The result stunned me. I realized in a year and a half that those 80-90% of my knowledge are suitable except for the articles in the magazines of beautiful wooden houses.
Now back to the topic of the forum.
Always, I treat colleagues with respect and carefully study their point of view. It‘s very useful, n consideration of the fact that the Second World War and a subsequent socialism destroyed the carpenters and their knowledge. And to collect what is left in a single systematic concept is a titanic task, handled by a few enthusiasts.
So, what to choose - certainly an interesting question, but devoid of a meaning, every corner has its purpose and was the result of years of experience. Therefore, argumens are also from the category of a rhetorical question.
A wood is a living material throughout its life until it rots or burns. We get accustomed to consider the shrinkage as an example of the board and do not think about the changes of the log. Hence theere is a strong belief that the cutting in "oblo" during the shrinkage gives the gaps, but the "Canadian" notch is self-sealing.
In general, the "Canadian" angle is the North American Indian with a tomahawk.
A cross-section of the beams in "oblo" is a semi-circle, which unrolls during the drying, giving for the base a convex shape, this process is clearly visible on the round log. The protuberant part raises the entire corner of the house and the quality of the collected milled logs can be estimated as a firewood. That is why the cutting of the "oblo" should have a crescent shape. The next important point is a semi-circular portion that unrolls during the drying, gained the form of a truncated semi-circle of a large diameter. This process will compensate the gaps, which arise in a speculative form of a shrinkage of the corner.
In the "Canadian" angle the compensation of gaps are due to the shift of logs to each other, but this is true for two beams, as soon as the third one appears, the whole scheme stops working, the third log has no place to shift. These angles are only applicable for the dry logs.
This condition is obligatory for them!
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There is, however, a variant of the well shrinkage with the incomplete crown (two logs are not based on a foundation, but a normal draft and you can make a final cutting of the crown over 1.5-2 years.
I will explain a little bit: from practice (a quite convenient account) the beam in the wall dries on 10%, this shrinkage is divided in such a way.
First year - 7%
2nd year - 2%
3rd year - 1% (this % can be ignored, since the presence of a sound roof, it remains for a life, depending on a humidity it goes away, then gets back again) for all layouts should be considered in all hubs of the house (windows, doors, plumbing fixtures, racks, a sliding roof).
In other words, this option does not cancel the rules.
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You probably do not fully understand what we are talking about.
The offset is to compensate the magnitude of a shrinkage and just about this quantity.
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