A "breathing" frame house

[buldozer]

That's very interesting to me, why no company-builder of mid-range does not use an ecowool in Moscow?. It would seem that it was possible to bend lovers of frame houses but it is not. What's the secret?.

[baltazar]

Moreover, I will say that the house must be designed so as to minimize the effect of wind on a heat loss. Otherwise, you can get carried away by the air permeability through the walls, the air in the house will be always fresh, but too cold.
A gas-permeable wall, as I have said about many times, should work on adjusting small components of air – the water vapor, a carbon dioxide, to fill the lack of oxygen.
The tasks that the climate is regulated through the wall and not worth it.

[Summer]

It is better to ask the producers, but it seems to me that there may be several reasons:

1) The comparative youth of ecowool compared with a glass and stone slab and tiles - hence the violation of the habitual patterns and stereotypes. And we have the people are much less flexible in terms of innovation, if it does not promise fabulous profits in short term.

2) The network of suppliers of traditional heaters is large and well-established, the established partnership, discounts, kickbacks, etc. - That is, there is a system which it is not so simple is to break or enter into. Import and the Russian producers of traditional heaters are more powerful than the domestic manufacturers of ecowool and benefits at the expense of imports of Western ecowool.

3) The effective use of ecowool implies the equipment that does not come cheap, though, and it will be quickly compensated. But it is easier to pay for the manual labor during the insulation.

4) The issue price - if the effect of the items above the use of ecowool will not give a tangible improvement for the builder - it will not twitch. Why to do it if the "people eat".

Personally, I think that despite this, an ecowool or a cellulose insulation will have a great future. I am sure that within the next 5 years, maybe faster, it will press the usual insulation.

[bill]

Explain me, please, theorists and practitioners!!
Is it not enough for a frame country house stove, which is the ventilation in the house?.
In the villages, in Russia, nobody has never thought about ventilation in the house.
Just they opened the door of the stove. And a good host tried caulking every hole, and cracks in the walls not to have any ventilation.

[Summer]

But it's always been, for example through the same windows or open doors.
And if a fresh air into the house was blocked off, it became stuffy and uncomfortable (I was in a house with plastic windows).

[buldozer]

A pipe – a hood, slits – “pritochka”.
In the villages in Russia – the sealed windows, doors with high-quality gaskets, tapes and other trash in the ceilings, etc. were not in use.
But you can’t "caulk" ALL the holes by traditional Russian methods, not to mention the materials used for caulking.

[constructor]

When I lived in a village, we tried to seal all the windows for winter not to have any holes. As there was no ventilation. To be very very comfortable.
And in apartments with plastic windows are also very comfortable, though during the frosts we close them to the hollow, and along with a ventilation in the kitchen, that would be no cold air. And it's very comfortable.
What do you think?.

[baltazar]

On condition that it will be a Russian stove (with a real fireplace and a stove-bench) it may be sufficient, when it is necessary to have:
1. A very voluminous cellar to supply the air to the furnace.
2. To prepare food only on the hearth. There were no gas or electric stoves there. i.e to provide a daily furnace and a removal of products up the chimney.
3. to wash, to bathe and to clean dishes only in the bath. (freestanding).
4. No plastic windows, not to froth doors, gaps between the wall and the box, and beat with a tow.
5. To organize a toilet and a bath in the yard (as in the Russian villages).
If we have a desire to do everything in the village. You need to do EVERYTHING!!

[Summer]

Although the concept of comfort is different. My friend lives in a stifling heat in the apartment, and I even try to visit him very often, but he feels comfortable.

[bill]

Smile?. But I'am sometimes sad to see the desire for s simplistic black-and-white view of reality, which consists in fact of the diversity and nuances. Of course, the Europeans have an interchangeable wardrobe for a season. But, for example, a nomad in a sharply continental climate, who can not carry a large wardrobe, uses the same thick coat made of cotton or a burnous of wool for a successful protection from the cold and the heat. Do you think that it is economically profitable to wear the gas-tight suit made of plastic with an adjustable air-conditioning?. The fencing of individual homes is the same as an irremovable clothing that is not a sin to a small extent.
Fortunately, modern building materials, in particular, a wind-proof film, permit it.
Of course, this is not a complete replacement of the main ventilation system. It remains in the form of adjustable hoods in a bathroom and a kitchen, opening vents, as well as those who have a chimney. However, the auxiliary air through the walls with their large area in an individual house is able to make its significant contribution. The traditional log cabin has this function, in particular through cauilking and other inevitable leaks.
Why do I think this is the flow of air through the walls automatically adjustable?. Yes, because it works in conjunction with a heating. By heating the air in a closed volume of the house, we make it to go out harder through the fence, and opening the damper in the hood ceiling, on the contrary, to enter through the bottom chord of the walls inside. These processes are affected by a change of atmospheric pressure.
I built a house from logs with an external insulation intentionally not sealing the seams with a caulking (only a jute liner during the installation) and I used an external insulation with a high breathability. The result: an excellent heat saving, It makes easy to breathe in the house.

[Summer]

Well, again, We have an example of black and white simplistic thinking.
Although the walls are made by "Bedouins," but the house has all the city facilities, including a collector heating, a kitchen with a modern equipment and a furniture from IKEA, showers, bidets, and so on. You don’t need to think from analogies.

[bill]

Everyone decides for himself that it is better!.
I have already written in the forum over the last ten years I use a dozen of buildings - those who built himself (as a customer) or overhauled brick (the age from 15 to more than 100 years), log, foam concrete, frame (wood )houses with a variety of insulators, films and finishes.
For myself, I decided unequivocally:
1. A foam - "no currently any people" (unless combining)
2. The wood frame houses with a mineral wadding are very good for business: It is fast and cheap to build, warm, the climate - is not particularly important (this is not for you), the service life is longer than a term of investment.
3. The timbers and bricks are good, but a lot of problems: How long to build, if it is thin it will be cold, or if it is thick, it will be expensive, a low-quality material.
4. Personally for me, I definitely decided that a country house must be only "breathable": a frame - LSTC or a good (an expensive and a high quality with the autoclave impregnation) timber, an ecowool, a plywood.
5. The finishing from two sides (for myself and for a business) – is just a lining (aesthetic, environmentally friendly, not afraid of temperature changes and humidity, enough "vandal-resistant"), naturally of varying quality and price.
The siding is (any), and DSP - only for business buildings.
6. Windows: for the business - plastic, for myself - wood.
7. Different versions of foam - only the foundations and floors on the first floor (under the screed).

[constructor]

Respecting your opinion... With the first three-points I agree.
For the rest I have my own observations!. Not everything is so simple!.

[buldozer]

On the issue at the local axis and a plywood..
I want to believe that even in Poland ther is a control,
but about the local small factories who can say with certainty about the control in Europe.
IMHO

[baltazar]

1. A wall and a hole are two different things.
2. The water vapor permeability of plywood is not 0.02 (this is a water-resistant), but 0.03. This is two times less than a pine and a spruce across the grain (they have 0.06), but the thickness of plywood is much smaller than a thickness of wooden beams. The total water vapor permeability of a construction is a fiberboard + + an ecowool veneer + a lumber and it is comparable to the water vapor permeability of log (depending on the materials used and their thickness slightly more or slightly less).
3. If the OSB with a "great difficulty" within the norms E1, than a plywood is allocated to the 5-10 times less than the specified standard.

[bill]

I was not talking about the actual issue, but about characteristics of the claimed producers!.
If the manufacturer is even a little upset GSP technology – there will be a clear excess of norms, if the manufacturer of plywood will do it, likely, even come close (but not that to exceed) to the standard limits is practically impossible.

[buldozer]

Guys, can I ask you a question?. Who can say what is the water vapor permeability of the walls from the Knauf plasterboard 12.5 mm, in two layers with overlapping sheets and a solid sizing of PVA?.
And, then I read a lot here and I am thinking now.

[bill]

The water vapor permeability of GCR is several times larger than a plywood, and a water vapor permeability of PVA – is high.

[Summer]

For me, after reading this forum I have determined that all three points correspond to: (a wall from the room to outside).
1. A batten 180-200 rubles for sq.m.
2. A construction paper 2 rubles s for sq.m.?
3. An ecowool, the thickness of 150 mm - 315 rubles for sq.m.
with a blowing, It will be cheap if you DIY about 150 rubles for sq.m.
4. Either the board 20 mm with a paper and a windscreen 120 rubles for sq.m. That is longer in a job but less vapor permeable?.
Or a plywood WBP 9 mm for 180 rubles for sq.m. or 6.5-mm?. for 140 rubles for sq.m.
Or a windscreen SOFTBOARD 90 rubles for sq.m.
As for me, probably, I am leaning towards the latter option.
5. Bars.
6. A DSP 10mm – 170 rubles for sq.m.
For me, today, the important issue is the cost of building materials and their ease of use, i.e. alone.
What will you say dear forum mates?.

[expert]

1. A gypsum plasterboard.
2. A Plywood 8 mm (typical).
3. The frame with an ecowool 150 mm.
4. A SOFTBOARD 20 mm.
5. A moisture windproof membrane.
6. The batten bars - 30 mm.
7. A hinged facade (SML 8 mm).